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Re: Findings on the dynamics.

Postby Francois2010 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:48 pm

Admin wrote:The problem seems to be the fact that you've got dynamic both on the top and below the same staff. This is a known bug, but you'll need to choose to place them either all above or all below the staff for the dynamics to function properly.


Read carefully. I placed the dynamics in this way because I did not have good results by placing them under the notes.
To be clear: if all the dynamics are placed under the notes the result is not good. I will do further testing.
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Re: Findings on the dynamics.

Postby Admin » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:58 pm

Francois2010 wrote:
Admin wrote:The problem seems to be the fact that you've got dynamic both on the top and below the same staff. This is a known bug, but you'll need to choose to place them either all above or all below the staff for the dynamics to function properly.


Read carefully. I placed the dynamics in this way because I did not have good results by placing them under the notes.
To be clear: if all the dynamics are placed under the notes the result is not good. I will do further testing.



Francois,

I have read carefully. I know there may be some language barriers here, but as I and other users have confirmed your testing is somehow incorrect. Myself and a few others here at Notion...as well as other users....have confirmed that the dynamics work properly. I even cleaned up the dynamics in the file you sent me and they are working correctly.

I'm really not sure why you are experiencing the lack of dynamics, but from all accounts here (even on your file) they seem to work fine.

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Re: Findings on the dynamics.

Postby Francois2010 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:42 pm

Admin wrote:
Francois2010 wrote:
Admin wrote:The problem seems to be the fact that you've got dynamic both on the top and below the same staff. This is a known bug, but you'll need to choose to place them either all above or all below the staff for the dynamics to function properly.


Read carefully. I placed the dynamics in this way because I did not have good results by placing them under the notes.
To be clear: if all the dynamics are placed under the notes the result is not good. I will do further testing.



Francois,

I have read carefully. I know there may be some language barriers here, but as I and other users have confirmed your testing is somehow incorrect. Myself and a few others here at Notion...as well as other users....have confirmed that the dynamics work properly. I even cleaned up the dynamics in the file you sent me and they are working correctly.

I'm really not sure why you are experiencing the lack of dynamics, but from all accounts here (even on your file) they seem to work fine.

-Kyle


The test you have done is very partial. I just want to say I was not dreaming. I'll do other more accurate test and try to identify the problem.
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Re: Findings on the dynamics.

Postby pcartwright » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:29 pm

You should post an MP3 of your Notion file so that we can hear exactly what you're hearing (be sure to post the Notion file as well).
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Re: Findings on the dynamics.

Postby Francois2010 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:44 pm

pcartwright wrote:You should post an MP3 of your Notion file so that we can hear exactly what you're hearing (be sure to post the Notion file as well).


well sir, the music is correct. The problem is that I have put my dynamics above the notes to hear the result. You can not print a document like this. Admin said that if all my dynamics were placed under the notes, they normally operate. Unfortunately I think this is not the case and I'll get a very concrete example to demonstrate the problem.
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Re: Findings on the dynamics.

Postby pcartwright » Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:05 am

You misunderstand me. Write the parts with the dynamics under the notes and create an MP3 to share along with the Notion file. This way, we can hear exactly what you hear on your computer.
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Re: Findings on the dynamics.

Postby Francois2010 » Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:21 pm

pcartwright wrote:You misunderstand me. Write the parts with the dynamics under the notes and create an MP3 to share along with the Notion file. This way, we can hear exactly what you hear on your computer.


I understood. If I send an mp3, you'll hear the corrected file. I expect to encounter the same difficulties with the dynamics. For now they are all corrected. When I encounter problems with the dynamics, I will send a file N3 having this problem. Afterwards, if you say that everything is normal, i will make a mp3 file to make sure you hear the same music as me.
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Re: Findings on the dynamics.

Postby Surfwhammy » Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:54 pm

Francois2010 wrote:
pcartwright wrote:You should post an MP3 of your Notion file so that we can hear exactly what you're hearing (be sure to post the Notion file as well).


well sir, the music is correct. The problem is that I have put my dynamics above the notes to hear the result. You can not print a document like this. Admin said that if all my dynamics were placed under the notes, they normally operate. Unfortunately I think this is not the case and I'll get a very concrete example to demonstrate the problem.


The specific VSTi instruments are important, as well, which makes it all the more complex . . .

For example, if an instrument is recorded in only one version where the musician is playing forte, then for all practical purposes nothing a computer does will be able to make it sound completely accurate and realistic in every respect with a mezzo piano dynamic . . .

I tend to side with the composer regarding how a piece is supposed to sound, where for example in the recent experiments using Mirosolav Philharmonik VSTi instruments for Zblogny's outstanding composition "La nuit Leïla", using a "Solo Trumpet" tended not to sound so good with respect to dynamics, but once I realized that it was supposed to be a "Solo French Horn" and made the replacement, it sounds very nice and all the dynamics work smoothly . . .

In other words, at some point it probably becomes a matter both (a) of the specific behaviors of Notion 3 and (b) of the specific behaviors and characteristics of the VSTi instruments, since there is considerably synergy involved . . .

Consequently, my general strategy is to focus more on discovering ways to make everything sound like I desire it to sound, and if one technique simply does not work, then I try another technique, which from my perspective is the practical solution . . .

Another reality is that if a violin must have the tonal qualities of a Stradivarius violin, then for the most part it needs to be a Stradivarius violin, but even then the selection of recording microphone, studio, and so forth has significant influences, where for example using a low-quality microphone might make an otherwise superb Stradivarius violin sound like a kazoo . . .

On the other hand, identifying inconsistencies in computer software is helpful, as is submitting "bug" reports, which is fabulous . . .

Fabulous! :)

P. S. If you think that quirky behaviors in dynamics are annoying, then wait until you start trying to make sense of using Notion 3, Reason 5, and a DAW via ReWire, MIDI, or something, which is my current focus with the DAW being Digital Performer 7.22 on the Mac (OS X 10.6.6), where from my perspective the biggest problem is that Reason 5 (Propellerhead Software) is not a VSTi instrument, but this is another topic, really . . .

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Re: Findings on the dynamics.

Postby pcartwright » Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:24 pm

Francois2010 wrote:
pcartwright wrote:You misunderstand me. Write the parts with the dynamics under the notes and create an MP3 to share along with the Notion file. This way, we can hear exactly what you hear on your computer.


I understood. If I send an mp3, you'll hear the corrected file. I expect to encounter the same difficulties with the dynamics. For now they are all corrected. When I encounter problems with the dynamics, I will send a file N3 having this problem. Afterwards, if you say that everything is normal, i will make a mp3 file to make sure you hear the same music as me.


Why don't you make a new test file illustrating the problem? It seems silly to wait for the problem to arise again before addressing the issue.
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Re: Findings on the dynamics.

Postby Francois2010 » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:22 pm

Admin said:

The Problem Seems To Be The Fact That You've Got Both dynamic is the top and below-the Saami staff. This is a Known bug, you'll Need to aim instead choose to 'em Either Above all gold all below-the staff for The Dynamics to Function Properly.


I must clear out all the dynamics of my file and then place all the dynamics under the notes.
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