Strange F sharp on oboe.

[Francois2010]

Hello,
Please, listen N4 file here...
If it's the same for you, note B of the oboe (mes. 6) provides an additional F # very shrill and very unpleasant.

This happens when I write a B for the oboe. What can I do?

Thank you!

[thorrild]

François,

Your file sounds good to me. I don't hear any unwanted F# at the place you have indicated.

Best wishes,
Thorrild

[wcreed51]

Nor do I...

[Admin]

Try going to the Mixer and setting the Built-in Notion Reverb to a different setting. You can play around with this to get a much more desired effect on the higher frequency ranges of the oboe. In the Default State, the Reverb Time is too to long and some of the frequency response times of the samples in the oboe hang into the natural overtones of the recorded sample.

This also explains the reasons why some of the Power Users on the forum would not be experiencing the same sound. They have reset the settings on their Reverbs, or they are using other VST reverbs.

In practice, you can place the Reverbs on the Inserts of the Busses of the mixer. You can still use the one on the Master to give an overall verb, but to start, I would leave the Master off for the time being.

Notion comes with 4 busses in the Mixer.

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Insert four different Reverbs on each of the busses.

The Sends section of the Instrument Channels in your mixer allow you to send individual instruments to the busses.

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This gives users a lot of control in the mixing stages of writing a score in Notion. Their are many ways to configure Reverbs in which users can obtain Depth, and Stage Placement through panning for a particular Reverb. Reverb is all about mimicking a room. It is fun and rewarding to really learn how a reverb works. While you learn, you make your music sound better, because you really only need to make it sound good. Just turn the knobs.

The Notion Reverb is fairly simple to get used to. Turn the knobs on the Reverb. Listen to the effect produced when you turn them. You can look up the definitions of what these knobs mean, but you need to get used to what sound is produced by each setting as the instrument plays through the Reverb that you are creating. Listen for frequency changes, time changes and delay outputs. The delay time is very important because that is the way that you build the walls of your room. Sometimes you will want things to sound as if they are in a Hall, a Chamber, a Church or your Living Room.

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Notice that in the Notion Built-In Reverb there are four knobs.

Dry/Wet refers to the amount of reverb that will be added to the instrument. This is sort of like a Volume knob, but it only slightly counts as loudness in the summing of the Bus. It actually counts more for how much of the Reverb you are adding to the Instrument. The rest of the settings on the Reverb are added together or summed here. Use the Fader on the Channel Strip to increase or decrease the Volume of the Reverb Channel comparing it to the Volume Output that is also being sent out to the Master Channel.

Room refers to the Size of the Room.

Damping controls the slope of Decay.

Pre-Delay refers to the Time between the sound source and the first reflection of your Reverb. (Off of a wall or the ceiling or the ack of a stage.)

Try panning your Reverbs to the opposite side of the panning of your Instruments being sent. That will change the angle from which you are listening, or the direction of the player. Experiment.

I set my Oboe Bus A to 96, and the Bus A Reverb to:

Dry/Wet = 30
Room = 16
Damping = 31
Predely = 7
Stereo Panning on the bus with the instrument channel set to L =-0.3 Right = 0.4

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This is really just a start. You can always adjust dynamics, velocity and articulations to get more desired reslults.

Hope this helps,

-Admin

[Surfwhammy]

I do not hear the "ghost" F#, but consistent with the musical perspective here in the sound isolation studio I think it needs some Melodic Death Metal drumming courtesy of Daniel Erlandsson; a bit of "pumping" via T-RackS CS Grand; and some advanced chorus delay with echoes via Timeless 2 (FabFilter Software Instruments) to move it into "has a nice beat" and "can rave to it" territory, which is fabulous . . .

"FSharp" -- Surfwhammy Remix -- WAV (3.7MB, approximately 21 seconds)

Fabulous!

[Admin]

Interesting Surfwhammy.

-Admin

[Surfwhammy]

Interesting Surfwhammy.

-Admin

Glad you enjoyed it! I think everything sounds better with drums . . .

Pretend MIDI Daniel Erlandsson is a lot of FUN, and the thing I like is that when the "Sync" option is ON in Addictive Drums (XLN Audio) and one of the Diabolic MIDI Pak drum patterns is selected, Pretend MIDI Daniel Erlandsson knows how to play the song automagically, which requires no music notation at all . . .

Addictive Drums: Diabolic MIDI Pak (XLN Audio)

I did the first version very quickly, but after listening to it a while I noticed that there is some distortion every so often, so I looked at the music notation and noticed there were dynamic marks, which I removed since "pumping" instruments works better when there are no dynamics. In other words, if you set the compressor, leveling amplifier, limiter, noise gate, expander, or whatever during a pianissimo section but then later there is a fortissimo section, it will distort in the fortissimo section, so I remove all that stuff and "pump" it to a nice level so that I can hear everything clearly, which is based in part on the rule that if you cannot hear it, then it does not need to be there . . .

[NOTE: I made the Clarinet "mf", since it sounds mighty fine with "mf", but I removed all the other dynamics . . . ]

And I cloned the measures a few times so that I could listen to it longer without needing to rewind, and then I changed a few notes and deleted a few notes, thereby creating a new version, which has a different type of echo that does a bit of doubling, and since it needed more bass I added a FabFilter Software Instruments Twin 2 Bass Synthesizer to double the Bassoon, which is fabulous . . .

[NOTE: The Twin 2 Bass Synthesizer is on a treble staff, but I have it set to play the notes two octaves lower, which is what I like to do, since for me it is easier to work with treble staves, mostly because it is the only one I learned, and then I only learned 12 notes, so here in the sound isolation studio there are 12 notes and 8 or so octaves, which keeps everything simple, except when I am doing quarter tone stuff, in which case there are 24 notes but the same number of octaves . . . ]



[NOTE: The Master stereo output is routed to Channels 9-10, since I am using the MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid and Main 1-2 maps to Channels 9-10. I used Saturn (FabFilter Software Instruments) to add a bit of analog magnetic tape and vacuum tube "blur", and the T-RackS CS Grand Brickwall Limiter with a gentle setting keeps everything within bounds on the Master stereo output track . . . ]



"FSharp" -- Surfwhammy Remix Version 2 -- WAV (12MB, approximately 1 minute and 8 seconds)

Fabulous!

[Francois2010]

Surfwhammy This music is the beginning of a wind quintet in a classic style. It is not ugly what you do, but it's not my style of composition.

Admin: Now I will study and try to understand your answer. Thank you!

[Surfwhammy]

Surfwhammy This music is the beginning of a wind quintet in a classic style. It is not ugly what you do, but it's not my style of composition.

Some of the various instrument phrases reminded me of parts of "Strawberry Fields Forever", "Penny Lane", and "All You Need Is Love", which as you know are Beatles songs that have woodwind and horn sections, so being in a silly mood I decided to have a bit of FUN with it, and I think that a few measures of the second version could be used as a segue or interlude for a Pop song, primarily the last half the second measure continuing through the Horn glissandi that sounds a bit like the Mellotron in "Strawberry Fields". . .

I like French Horns, and I like the phrase in the last half of the second measure . . .

Lots of FUN!

[Francois2010]

Surfwhammy This music is the beginning of a wind quintet in a classic style. It is not ugly what you do, but it's not my style of composition.

Some of the various instrument phrases reminded me of parts of "Strawberry Fields Forever", "Penny Lane", and "All You Need Is Love", which as you know are Beatles songs that have woodwind and horn sections, so being in a silly mood I decided to have a bit of FUN with it, and I think that a few measures of the second version could be used as a segue or interlude for a Pop song, primarily the last half the second measure continuing through the Horn glissandi that sounds a bit like the Mellotron in "Strawberry Fields". . .

I like French Horns, and I like the phrase in the last half of the second measure . . .

Lots of FUN!

Interesting ... If my music makes you think of all this, I take that as a compliment.