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Sequencer staff

Postby achambily » Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:51 pm

Is there a way to convert an existing notation staff into in sequencer staff (not just toggle the overlay with the tab key) ?
Another question : what are the default velocities of the notes entered by mouse ?
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Re: Sequencer staff

Postby pcartwright » Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:23 pm

I don't think you can convert back to staff view (with the overlay feature, I'm not really sure why you'd need to).
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Re: Sequencer staff

Postby achambily » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:56 am

because the overlay view is quite unclear and confusing when you work in sequencer mode... (eg overdubbing or rerecording a section)
I think the three choices would be implemeted (score view, sequencer view, overlay (mixed) view) with easy toggle from one to another...
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Re: Sequencer staff

Postby pcartwright » Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:14 pm

achambily wrote:because the overlay view is quite unclear and confusing when you work in sequencer mode... (eg overdubbing or rerecording a section)
I think the three choices would be implemeted (score view, sequencer view, overlay (mixed) view) with easy toggle from one to another...


Not a bad idea. Also, as posted in another current thread, it appears that the default velocities match the current dynamic level value. So, for example, ppp in EWQL has a MIDI CC-11 value of 30 and the velocity also has a default value of 30 (gray bar). The velocity bar changes color once you override the default (at least, that's as I understand it).
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Re: Sequencer staff

Postby achambily » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:29 am

pcartwright wrote: the current dynamic level value.

what is this ?
sorry, but I don't understand...
(it is 30 when you just put a note doing nothing else ?)
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Re: Sequencer staff

Postby pcartwright » Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:12 am

Open the rules file for EWQL... you'll see that controller 11 (dynamics) is defined with the following code:

<dynamic-map id="ewql">
<dynamic dynamic="ppppp" value="0" />
<dynamic dynamic="pppp" value="10" />
<dynamic dynamic="ppp" value="30" />
<dynamic dynamic="pp" value="40" />
<dynamic dynamic="p" value="50" />
<dynamic dynamic="mp" value="75" />
<dynamic dynamic="mf" value="85" />
<dynamic dynamic="f" value="100" />
<dynamic dynamic="ff" value="104" />
<dynamic dynamic="fff" value="112" />
<dynamic dynamic="ffff" value="120" />
<dynamic dynamic="fffff" value="127" />
</dynamic-map>

<!-- PLAY ID -->
<plugin id="1886151033">

<setup>
<velocity-map id="ewql" />
<hairpin-map id="ewql" />
<hairpin-cc value="11" />
</setup>

These values also seem to be used for velocities, so the default velocity (when it appears gray) changes with the dynamic marking. A dynamic level of forte will send CC-11 message of 100 and a velocity level of 100. See the images below for a comparison with EWQL flute:
Test3 Notion.jpg
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This is what the MIDI data looks like when I export from Notion and import into Reaper:
Test3 Reaper.jpg
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Notice that the velocity value and the CC-11 value are the same as the dynamic changes. Also, the default dynamic in Notion appears to be mf.
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Re: Sequencer staff

Postby achambily » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:00 am

pcartwright wrote:Open the rules file for EWQL... you'll see that controller 11 (dynamics) is defined with the following code:

<dynamic-map id="ewql">
<dynamic dynamic="ppppp" value="0" />
<dynamic dynamic="pppp" value="10" />
<dynamic dynamic="ppp" value="30" />
<dynamic dynamic="pp" value="40" />
<dynamic dynamic="p" value="50" />
<dynamic dynamic="mp" value="75" />
<dynamic dynamic="mf" value="85" />
<dynamic dynamic="f" value="100" />
<dynamic dynamic="ff" value="104" />
<dynamic dynamic="fff" value="112" />
<dynamic dynamic="ffff" value="120" />
<dynamic dynamic="fffff" value="127" />
</dynamic-map>

<!-- PLAY ID -->
<plugin id="1886151033">

<setup>
<velocity-map id="ewql" />
<hairpin-map id="ewql" />
<hairpin-cc value="11" />
</setup>

These values also seem to be used for velocities, so the default velocity (when it appears gray) changes with the dynamic marking. A dynamic level of forte will send CC-11 message of 100 and a velocity level of 100. See the images below for a comparison with EWQL flute:
Test3 Notion.jpg


This is what the MIDI data looks like when I export from Notion and import into Reaper:
Test3 Reaper.jpg


Notice that the velocity value and the CC-11 value are the same as the dynamic changes. Also, the default dynamic in Notion appears to be mf.

wow
this IS definitely an answer !
thanks a lot dear
it's now a lot more clear to me...
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Re: Sequencer staff / Default velocity

Postby Zblogny » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:04 am

pcartwright wrote:These values also seem to be used for velocities, so the default velocity (when it appears gray) changes with the dynamic marking.

Not finding this specific information in the user guide, I did a few tests with Shift+Alt+Up/Down, so I am able to indicate the default value of notes entered with the mouse, when no dynamics has been specified : 102
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