Question about Notion and Play 64bit

[labou]

Hi,

I'm quite happy in my 32bit world with the intergration of Play inside Notion, however I'm starting to investigate upgrading to a 64bit machine to have access to more RAM. I know Notion is still 32bit, so I was wondering what was happening if you start using Play 64bit through JBridge inside of Notion, are you loosing the ability to use the provided instruments presets since you aren't loading Play directly anymore? Is it better then to still keep using Play 32bit since notion anyway won't be able to address more than 2GB of RAM anyway?

Thanks for your input.

[Erufailon]

I tried this with the jbridge trial, but since it works exactly as if you loaded those play instances as standalone, each of the instances use up about 500MB extra, so with four instances you loose 2gigs of RAM. At least that was my experience, but I also read that others had the same with jbridge on the soundsonline forums.

[labou]

Ok, thanks, so it is useless to use the 64 bit version in that manner... is it possible to have both the 32 and 64 bit Play plugin installed at once?

[Erufailon]

Of course. I use Notion with the 4 midi-out ports and cantabile. This way I can use 4x16 channels in an x64 based host, which almost fills up my 8gigs of RAM anyway, but if it's not enough I can still load about 2 gigs inside Notion.
But please try jbridge if you get a chance, your experience may be different.

[wcreed51]

Does cantabile provide you with virtual MIDI pipes to connect Notion to your VSTi?

[Erufailon]

Does cantabile provide you with virtual MIDI pipes to connect Notion to your VSTi?

Nope, I use loopbe. It gives you 30 virtual cables, and it's the only one I know of that works in a 64 bit environment.

[labou]

Ok, I just realize what Cantabile is... really interesting, but for this to works you have to use the External Midi as instruments and then set loopbe as your midi output, right? But how can you then use the EWQL Symphonic rules so articulation changes are happening on score anotation and what patches are you loading in Cantabile for this to works?

I guess another solution to achieve what you are doing could be to use Vienna Ensemble pro and use vsti instead of midi routing...

thanks.

[Erufailon]

Well, I only have EWQLSO, and I set up my own rules (I've rewritten them for the internal vsti as well when I first got N3). I'm not saying this is the good way to use it, but it works quite well for me, and I don't know any other way to use all my 8 gigs of RAM, and I don't use any other midi-editing tool anymore (tho due to the lack of humanizing functions sometimes I'm tempted, but I get good enough results as it is.)

[wcreed51]

Thanks !

[Erufailon]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M815B0S5

This was done by simply writing the score, recording some expression automation curves and recording the output in one go in an audio software using midi-out ports and my custom rules. I wish it had some humanizing stuff, but for a mock-up I think it sounds quite well considering I didn't have to do any post-production in another software.