Rubens wrote:well, tried again with ultralite using the Ch 9-10 in Notion 4 but... no sound. Thank you anyway Surwammy!
We are almost there, and victory is on the horizon! You are not hearing any sound because the audio output is
not being sent to the MOTU UltraLite . . .
Instead the audio output is being sent somewhere else, so the solution is to discover how to send the audio output to the MOTU UltraLite; and this is not a difficult problem to solve, although it takes a while to explain . . .
When I want the audio output to go to the MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid external audio and MIDI interface, I do this by telling the operating system which output device I want to use, which begins by selecting the MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid as the output device for "Sound" in Mac OS X "System Preferences", but there is more to configuring it correctly, since I also need to specify the correct channels for the Main 1-2 stereo output, and there are other parameters which are set in Digital Performer and the MOTU Audio Setup application, such as audio resolution (sample rate and bit depth) . . .
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NOTE: You will do this, but instead of selecting "MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid", you will select "MOTU UltraLite-mk3 Hybrid" . . . ]
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IMPORTANT: The "Default Stereo Output" initially is set to "Analog 1 - 2", so you will need to change it to "Main Out 1 - 2". When you install the MOTU driver update, the "Default Stereo Output" will revert to "Analog 1 - 2", so you will need to change it again . . . ]
I think you misunderstood what I was explaining about NOTION 4 and the Ch. 9-10 pair. If you did this in a ReWire 2 session where Digital Performer is the ReWire 2 host controller and NOTION 4 is the ReWire 2 slave, then all it did was send the audio for the selected NOTION 4 stereo track via the Ch. 9-10 ReWire 2 channel pair to Digital Performer. This has
nothing to do with configuring the Mac to output audio from Digital Performer to the MOTU UltraLite and its connected studio monitors or headphones . . .
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NOTE: I fully understand that this is a bit confusing, but there is so much information that the only practical way to determine the solution for problems is to examine everything, and the way some MOTU devices are mapped with respect to MOTU drivers and channels is an important aspect of the solution. This also is the reason that there is no detailed documentation for any of this stuff, because when you provide all the information it becomes a book and in some respects can be perceived as being too much information, but so what. The facts are (a) that you can do ReWire 2 on the Mac with Digital Performer and NOTION 4 and (b) that you can use the MOTU UltraLite as your external digital audio and MIDI interface on the Mac. Doing this requires everything to be configured correctly. It works, and it is just a matter of getting everything configured correctly . . . ]
NOTION 4 AND MOTU 828MK3 HYBRIDSpecifically, if you are running NOTION 4 by itself--not in a ReWire 2 session--with a MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid external audio and MIDI interface handling the audio, then you will need to set the output of the Master stereo output track in the NOTION 4 Mixer to the Ch. 9-10 pair, because these are the channels that map to Main 1-2 for the MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid, which is the case because the MOTU driver maps the first eight (8) channels to Analog-1 through Analog-8, respectively, and channels 9 and 10 to Main 1-2 . . .
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NOTE: This also applies to NOTION 4 if it is the ReWire 2 host controller, which is possible, since NOTION 4 can be a ReWire 2 host controller or a ReWire 2 slave, depending on whether it is started first. Also note that these are channels, but the usage is different when it is ReWire . . . ]
This has nothing to do with ReWire 2, unless your DAW application by default maps its master stereo output to channels 1-2 and you are using a MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid, in which case you will need to change it to output to channels 9-10 . . .
With Digital Performer (MOTU), you do not need to do this, but you will need to do it with Studio One 2.6+, Logic Pro 9/X, Ableton Live 9, and so forth . . .
This might be the case with the MOTU driver for the MOTU UltraLite, but since I do not have a MOTU UltraLite I have no easy way to determine whether this rule applies, and for reference this was
not the case with the MOTU 828mkII, which has its first two channels (1-2) mapped to Main 1-2 . . .
THOUGHTSIf you are not getting sounds when the MOTU UltraLite is used, then I need more information to make suggestions, specifically a diagram or explanation in words of the way you have everything connected to your computer . . .
You mentioned an Apogee ONE device, and if you have it connected to your Mac along with the MOTU UltraLite and other devices, then this is too much for me to troubleshoot without an accurate system diagram . . .
My suggestion is to use the test files from my earlier post. It is a simple Digital Performer project and a simple NOTION 4 score . . .
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NOTE: When the first test scenario is working nicely, this verifies that everything is configured correctly for ReWire 2. The second test, then focuses on discovering how to get the system configured correctly to use the MOTU UltraLite as the primary external audio and MIDI interface. Doing it this way keeps the focus on solving problems in steps in a logical and simple way . . . ]
(1) Do the test with nothing connected to your Mac other than headphones, keyboard, and mouse, in which case you will be using the factory sound hardware and Mac OS X Core Audio . . .
(2) Then as a second test, attach the MOTU UltraLite to the Mac. If you are using an external keyboard and mouse, then attach them, of course. The headphones will need to be connected to the MOTU UltraLite rather than to the Mac headphone port, since audio output will come from the MOTU UltraLite rather than from the Mac ports. Let me know what happens . . .
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NOTE: In this second test, the MOTU UltraLite is attached to your Mac, and a pair of headphones are connected to the "Phones" port in the front of the MOTU UltraLite. If you are using an external keyboard and mouse, then attach them to your Mac, of course. This is all that is attached to your Mac, and this makes it easier to discover how to configure your Mac correctly for using the MOTU UltraLite . . . ]
The MOTU UltraLite will have a driver, and it needs to be current for your Mac, and based on the advice I got from MOTU technical support when I was not hearing sounds after replacing my MOTU 828mkII with a MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid, it is possible that the MOTU UltraLite uses a different channel pair for "Main 1-2" . . .
Specifically, the MOTU technical support specialist told me that the easiest way to determine which pair works is to start with the 1-2 pair and then increase the numbers until you hear sound, which is what we did, and when it got to 9-10 I heard sound . . .
You can select the output, and if you have several possible output devices connected to your Mac, then there will be several choices, as you can see in the "Audio MIDI Setup" screen I posted in my previous post, where there are three output choices (Built-in Output, Built-in Line Output, Built-in Digital Output) and two Soundflower choices . . .
The MOTU UltraLite will have a specific output, and it is the one that needs to be selected if you expect to hear audio through the MOTU UltraLite . . .
SUMMARYYou need to determine how to specify that the MOTU UltraLite is the output device you want to use. Once you set the MOTU UltraLite as the output device, you will hear the sounds . . .
I can help, but I need more information, including some idea of what you have connected to your Mac . . .
Consider the following diagram of the complete system I use here in the sound isolation studio, where you will observe that there is
one external digital audio and MIDI interface . . .
When you have the MOTU UltraLite connected to your Mac, you do not need the Apogee device(s) . . .
There is a scenario in which one can need to extend the functionality of the primary external digital audio and MIDI interface, and in the MOTU universe this usually is done by adding MOTU 8pre devices chained to a MOTU 828x or similar primary external digital audio and MIDI interface. There probably are other ways to connect more stuff to a Mac, but this affects the way various software needs to be configured so that applications know where to send their respective outputs and so forth. And for reference, the MOTU 8pre can be the primary device, as well, but it usually is used to add more XLR-style microphone inputs to a MOTU 828x, MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid, and so forth . . .
This is the link to the Downloads page at the MOTU website, where you can download the latest drivers and other updates to MOTU hardware and software . . .
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NOTE: The current update has enhancements for Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks), so if you are running Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks), then download and install the current drivers. The current version of Mavericks is Mac OS X 10.9.3 . . . ]
Downloads (MOTU Support)Lots of FUN!