GPO4 and tremolos

[elerouxx]

I'm a little dissappointed because there doesn't seem to be a way to produce a tremolo in Garritan's Personal Orchestra solo strings, with or without custom rules.

I've noticed that when using section strings, during playback, the Aria player switches to tremolo, 1/2 half or whole step trills when needed, thus using the corresponding samples.

But when using solo strings, the player doesn't switch to tremolo or trill: trills are played note by note, and temolos are simply ignored.

Is there a way to produce a tremolo? Who tells an instrument if a trill must be played note by note or by switching and playing a continuous sample?

[fabiolcati]

There are no rules for GPO solo strings in the GPO rules files.
Maybe they forgot it. Who knows?
You can easily add it by duplicating a section strings rule and changing its instrument ID.

[elerouxx]

It seems that solo strings in GPO are handled differently. Trills and tremolos aren't a looped sample like in section strings (you can check this on the Aria player).

In section strings, it's enough to hit the keyswitch to 'tremolo' and play any note. You will listen to a looped sample of strings doing a long tremolo. The same with trills.

In solo strings, in 'tremolo' mode, the note will produce a down-bow when hit and an up-bow when released, so you 'could' hit the note repeatedly to 'play' the tremolo at variable speeds. The same with trills: when you hit the key, it produces a note, and when releasing the key, it produces the 1/2 or 1 tone up note. You could then 'play' the trill by hitting several times the note. This may be great for performances, but makes it impossible to use the solo tremolo and trill samples to produce these effects by notation.

The solution is so simple: talk to the GPO4 guys so they change this behavior of the solo "notation" strings.

[pcartwright]

It seems that solo strings in GPO are handled differently. Trills and tremolos aren't a looped sample like in section strings (you can check this on the Aria player).

In section strings, it's enough to hit the keyswitch to 'tremolo' and play any note. You will listen to a looped sample of strings doing a long tremolo. The same with trills.

In solo strings, in 'tremolo' mode, the note will produce a down-bow when hit and an up-bow when released, so you 'could' hit the note repeatedly to 'play' the tremolo at variable speeds. The same with trills: when you hit the key, it produces a note, and when releasing the key, it produces the 1/2 or 1 tone up note. You could then 'play' the trill by hitting several times the note. This may be great for performances, but makes it impossible to use the solo tremolo and trill samples to produce these effects by notation.

The solution is so simple: talk to the GPO4 guys so they change this behavior of the solo "notation" strings.

You are correct in summarizing how solo strings differ from sections strings in GPO. Personally, I like the fact that the speed of the tremolo/trill can be adjusted for individual instruments in GPO. However, based on the current rules used by Notion, I can't think of a way to implement these "playable" techniques without making the score an ugly mess. Please take a look at this thread (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1522&p=6451&hilit=tremolo#p6451) and provide feedback and/or support.

By the way, I updated the my GPO rules.

[elerouxx]

I wasn't kidding. GPO could easily create looped trill and tremolo samples for the notation solo strings. After all, they are meant to be controlled by notation. When composing, i don't want to artificially simulate things as basic as a tremolo. Standard instruments would still allow this extended manual control.

[pcartwright]

I wasn't kidding. GPO could easily create looped trill and tremolo samples for the notation solo strings. After all, they are meant to be controlled by notation. When composing, i don't want to artificially simulate things as basic as a tremolo. Standard instruments would still allow this extended manual control.

I agree with you regarding the notation patches, but the notation patches were created more as an afterthought to make it easier to use in notation programs. GPO's samples were created and designed for recording and editing in a DAW.

Anyway, no sense arguing this point; we can only use the tools available to us.