Dynamics ==> matter of opinion?

[marcato]

Actually, notation programs are completely up to the task of controlling multiple CCs, but not all through notation symbols.

...and certainly not in realtime.
You say it all here: notation editors sometimes seem to work a bit better when they try to be sequencers. But if they try harder, they will stretch their luck all the way back to square one, to Sibelius or to Finale, to Studio One or to Cubase XVII, whichever comes first.
We're all gathered here, remember, because our dearly beloved Notion 3 corresponds to a much needed compromise between labyrinthine score processors invented by professors to impress other professors, and coal fired hardware like sequencers sporting the user friendliness of a vintage 1957 Soviet transport plane.
And as you said elsewhere

(...)The Sequencer Staff is just a tease.

And it should remain so.

My idea of the toy is that you use it as an intuitive sketchpad to give some substance to your inspiration and not necessarily to bring a complete three part oratorio to the CD press at Deutsche Grammophon, after just a day in the park with a laptop.

Does the world really need a $700 Notion4 ?

[Zblogny]

My idea of the toy is that you use it as an intuitive sketchpad to give some substance to your inspiration and not necessarily to bring a complete three part oratorio to the CD press of Deutsche Grammophon, after just a day in the park with a laptop.
Does the world really need a $700 Notion4 ?

Hi Marcato,
I totally agree with this way of understanding Notion3.
As a helping tool to composition I have found nothing better.
For audio processing and mixing, Reaper do the job.
My wish is just an easier connection between Notion3 and Reaper...

[thorrild]

Back when this thread was only one page long, I thought it was a little sad and tedious (sorry, François2010), but also heartwarming and pedagogical (thanks, pcartwright). Now it has grown into a different, and to me very interesting, sometimes philosophical discourse about the synthetic representation of Western notation, both real-time and in post production.

At the risk of ruining this exchange, allow me to return to François2010's original complaint, which involved a simple brass quintet example containing a crescendo fanfare: My solution to this is one of Notion's best features: The ability to tweak the playback of a dynamic mark without changing how it looks on the page. Simply double-click on an offending dynamic mark and type either a positive or negative number after the letters in the text box. For example, to make a piano as soft as a ppp, the text box should read "p-2". This is all explained in the user guide on page 10.14. Each number represents one dynamic level. In addition, you can type fractional amounts, up to 2 decimal places. Since notation is not an exact science, this little tweak allows us to fool the highly exact computer and make it perform some of those little occult tricks that real live performers use every day, and with no post production.

I look forward to reading more from both marcato and Zblogny on the Tao of Notation Playback.

Best wishes,
Thorrild

[marcato]

François, mon ami...when everything else fails, read instructions.
This is the essence of Thorrild's timely message. Notwithstanding philosophical considerations, there are so many things we can do with Notion.
Have a good day and many thanks, Zblogny!

[Zblogny]

The ability to tweak the playback of a dynamic mark without changing how it looks on the page. Simply double-click on an offending dynamic mark and type either a positive or negative number after the letters in the text box. For example, to make a piano as soft as a ppp, the text box should read "p-2". This is all explained in the user guide on page 10.14. Each number represents one dynamic level. In addition, you can type fractional amounts, up to 2 decimal places. Since notation is not an exact science, this little tweak allows us to fool the highly exact computer and make it perform some of those little occult tricks that real live performers use every day, and with no post production.

Thanks Thorrild !
This page 10.14 deserves to be framed and hung on the wall behind the screen

[Surfwhammy]

The ability to tweak the playback of a dynamic mark without changing how it looks on the page. Simply double-click on an offending dynamic mark and type either a positive or negative number after the letters in the text box. For example, to make a piano as soft as a ppp, the text box should read "p-2". This is all explained in the user guide on page 10.14. Each number represents one dynamic level. In addition, you can type fractional amounts, up to 2 decimal places. Since notation is not an exact science, this little tweak allows us to fool the highly exact computer and make it perform some of those little occult tricks that real live performers use every day, and with no post production.

Thanks Thorrild !
This page 10.14 deserves to be framed and hung on the wall behind the screen

I like this technique, which is fabulous . . .

Fabulous!

[Francois2010]

Thanks Thorrild !==> great great and great!

yes, we must review the Notion3 guide ...

Dynamics are very important and I don't want to give sheets of music that does not match what I hear.

I still think Notion3 should review the basic requirements regarding dynamics.

[pcartwright]

We're all gathered here, remember, because our dearly beloved Notion 3 corresponds to a much needed compromise between labyrinthine score processors invented by professors to impress other professors, and coal fired hardware like sequencers sporting the user friendliness of a vintage 1957 Soviet transport plane.

Well said.

The ability to tweak the playback of a dynamic mark without changing how it looks on the page. Simply double-click on an offending dynamic mark and type either a positive or negative number after the letters in the text box. For example, to make a piano as soft as a ppp, the text box should read "p-2". This is all explained in the user guide on page 10.14.

Good tip. Thanks Thorrid.

Regarding this statement from Francois:

I still think Notion3 should review the basic requirements regarding dynamics.

I think Thorrid makes a good obseration:

Since notation is not an exact science, this little tweak (referring to tweak outlined above) allows us to fool the highly exact computer and make it perform some of those little occult tricks that real live performers use every day, and with no post production.

[Francois2010]

I am very satisfied with all these discussions.