How to add a controller?

[dcd111]

Hi Surfwhammy,
You've got it! My problem is there ... No solution.

I may be wrong, but: in reading portions of the manual, it talks about the organ being capable of receiving velocity levels with MIDI Note On messages. Obviously the organ keyboard is not velocity sensitive, but perhaps it attemps to use MIDI transmitted velocities to control expression (or possibly volume), but then is also receiving CC#11 messages that also affect expression, causing conflicts?

I don't think the "MIDI A" and "MIDI B" ports are part of the problem, because from what I read that is related to MIDI output from the organ, I don't think it is related to input.

I have not seen your score, but I assume you have set up different staves for each manual (and one for the pedal board), with each one set to a different MIDI channel depending on the intended manual: #1 for Swell, #2 for Grand, #3 for Choir, and #4 for Pedal?

Also, a quick question: forget MIDI for a moment - does the Expression pedal do anything differently than the volume control? In other words, does it change the quality of the sound as well as the volume? I know some organs use a pedal to change the stops assigned to each manual, with an increasing number added as expression is increased, is that fundamentally what this organ does?

Anyway, I'm sure you're tired of experimenting, but I would try this, if you haven't already:

Use the organ' s MIDI filter function (page 35) to filter out ALL received CC messages. Then play your score. This will tell you if Note On velocity is used by the organ in any way.

If that doesn't work because velocity is ignored completely by the organ, despite what the User Manual says, then at least we have one more piece of data to work with.

I think a solution is still possible, I think part of the problem is that Notion isn't clear on how the organ works, Lucha is not clear on what Notion is trying to do, and most of us on the forum haven't seen your score or your organ, so nobody has had all of the information necessary to methodically solve the problem. Which is why I think it was a great idea for Surfwhammy to seek out and post the organ's User Manual, hopefully Notion will take a look and maybe it will get you one step closer to a solution.

[lucha]

Hi dcd111,

Thank you to you too for so complacent. Indeed, my explanations were not entirely clear, in part because of my bad English. I'll try to provide some details below.

My keyboards are sensitive but the velocity is only useful for a few additional stops (celesta, harp, etc..) that are rarely used.

My score has 3 staffs: 2 for the hands (grand staff) and 1 for the feet. Sometimes the hands are playing together on the same keyboard, sometimes on a different one. Currently the channel #1 is for the Great, #2 for the Choir, #3 for the Swell and #4 for the Pedal, but I can change it if needed. Channel change is a function that works very well in Notion. The Choir and the Swell have both an expression pedal controlled by CC11, simulating the opening and closing acoustically sealed boxes.

Like you, I hope an information from the technical team, probably on the rules to use.

[Admin]

Dear Admin,

Thank you very much for your investigation. Your first assumption is correct. I am sorry to find an inconsistency between Notion and my organ for this reason: my organ uses CC11 for its expression pedals instead of CC7. This is a pity because this software is very well designed and fun to use. Is it possible to cancel my licence and get a refund in this special case?

What I said in my earlier post was that Notion uses CC11 data for expression. Written dynamics are controlled by the expression data. So we should be congruent. We are not using CC7 for expression.

Unfortunately, we cannot offer cancelled licenses and refunds for a case like this. The program is working as designed and it is working the way it should for MIDI controllers.

As far as writing rules is concerned, it is an unsupported form of use. We do not offer customer support in the world of rules because we cannot coach everyone in their understanding of writing XML code. If "wcreed51" has a rule that will work for this situation, then you are welcome to see if he would be willing to pass it on to you. There is, in fact, a forum thread dedicated to Custom Rules. Maybe you can check there to see if someone else has rules dedicated to External MIDI.

I am interested in determining whether your Organ Manual can show you how to change Controller data. Most MIDI controllers allow users to reset and manipulate MIDI controllers. I think reprogramming the controllers on the actual MIDI device is truly the easiest and best fix for this issue that you seem to be having. That is, remove or reprogram the CC # from the offending Controller on the Organ.

Best Regards,

-Admin